Critique forum

Caught with the new rules, I didn't realise it was 1 post in 24 hours, that means I have to wait till way past my bedtime to post again :)

Would it be possible to work on the date rather than time to trigger reposting allowed? :LOL:

I'm with you. I find one a day a bit harsh.

If we did it by date, it would be hard to set it up, as the board has a bunch of different timezone settings. ;)

Another way would be for critique posts to be vetted by a moderator prior to the post being approved/uploaded. The benefits would be the same as the original objectives of limiting the number of daily posts, giving more time for critique before being shunted off the page.

The advantage being this could allow more submissions in a controlled manner, also it would be possible to redirect images to the sharing or feedback forums if the image is unsuitable or the poster actually wants technical feedback.

An idea that I like, but then mods and myself would have to approved first, which would create a higher workload for us... I like the suggestion, though, and I'll keep it under my hat for down the road. :D

Yikes. Smells like work!

i have to say, you guys have the strangest critique forum on the whole of the web, really strange

Really? What's strange of it? Which ones do you say are not strange?

i have to say, you guys have the strangest critique forum on the whole of the web, really strange

Is it the form in general, or are you referring to on the rules on replying and what they are expected to contain, maybe the post restrictions or what?

Does anyone else think the Critique forum is "Strange"?

I don't find it strange, but rather beneficial to most people. Mind you, I started the site, so I may be biased. Then again, there's really only one guy complaining about it and he has "his own forum", so I don't really give much weighting to his comments.

I don't really give much weighting to his comments


Neither do I. I simply want to be humored with a response.

Really? What's strange of it? Which ones do you say are not strange?

its strange in the fact that its kind of against teaching, or at least it doesn't teach effectively and in some cases prohibits it, i mean no offense by saying that but its just how i see it. there seems to be 95% newbie or newbie quality photographers here and they are not going to get much better in the current system used by this site, in my opinion.

thanks

matthew hewal

What type of system do you suggest? How are people not learning and how do we prohibit learning?

What type of system do you suggest? How are people not learning and how do we prohibit learning?

well, thats for your admin to figure out really, but not allowing educative editing, by allowing members that have 4900+ posts and 7 medals making critiques like "nice capture", that seems ridiculous to me. there seems to be the ethos of 'critique is about opinion, therefore its ok to say "thats nice" ' when really critique isnt really about opinions its about technical facts and rules, where people have gone wrong and where they can improve with there technique. surely the feedback section is the place for saying thats nice, i like it?

it doesn't concern me because im experienced and have been photographing for many years, but if i was starting out this is the last place i would want to be to try to learn

people seem to be so uptight in the forum, quoting guidelines etc, instead of everyone being a moderator and trying to enforce rules i think they need to welcome newcomers and if the break the rules a simple PM from a moderator would be fine explaining the reason would help you keep members instead of having 2 or 3 posts and going somewhere else

just my onion and you can take it for what its worth as i very rarely browse here and promised to try it out from one of your members as they wanted some experienced photographers around the place, so i obliged and have tried it out. very poor interface also (not that that matters on a photography forum, or at least shouldnt)

I don't find it strange, but rather beneficial to most people. Mind you, I started the site, so I may be biased. Then again, there's really only one guy complaining about it and he has "his own forum", so I don't really give much weighting to his comments.

this is the type of attitude im talking about klixphotography, btw i dont have my own site, i help run it, if you were wise you could learn from the bigger forums instead of playing the big i am like you just have done.

how can not letting people physically see there mistake benefit people? how can comments like "nice shot" be beneficial to people?
the fact is it cannot?

comments like "i dont give weight to his comments" will only work against you and your forum, people giving genuine advice should be thanked not sneered at. tell me if you will, why do you have a suggestions forum? because you dont seem to take constructive criticism very well at all

sorry for my third post in a while, but what's the 1 post a day about? what's the benefit in that?

I don't really give much weighting to his comments


Neither do I. I simply want to be humored with a response.

and you seem such nice welcoming guys :roll:

Well, why don't you hang around and teach us how to properly do these things?

I think often people use "nice shot", etc. when they feel there's nothing they would change or do, the existing shot is fine to them in all aspects.

I personally am not trying to play any big 'i am', just trying to gain insight on your observation.

What do you suggest in making the critiques and such more educational and formal?

How would/ could you show people how to fix things that are wrong? If you post an edited photo of how to fix something, does this not become your own subjective opinion? Aside from the main "rules", just because you say this is the way to make X shot right doesn't necessarily mean it's the only way or THE way for it to be done. That's why it's not done in the critique section. It's done in the feedback section however.

I'd be happy to hear your ideas and suggestions of how you think things could/ would be better. I personally have no pull in any decision making though.

Thanks for the replies to the post!!

and you seem such nice welcoming guys


There are too many trash talkers, if you will, that pop in from time to time. It was my assumption this was just another. My apologies on that.

and you seem such nice welcoming guys


There are too many trash talkers, if you will, that pop in from time to time. It was my assumption this was just another. My apologies on that.

apology more than excepted!

like i said before, its probably up too your admin to change the site (he obviously thinks it fine and beneficial the way it is), just looking through the member list it reflects what im saying, the first 7 pages (and im willing to bet the first 50 pages ;)) there are 3 people that have joined and posted more than 20 times, i think im one of them! although all forums have people that join and bolt, it should never be anything like that imo. if im honest i cant say im surprised.

im sure your admin is a pro photographer and very talented, so his posts will show people the way forward im sure. im just surprised he feels things are fine the way they are and im surprised that other members comments are not weighted.

maybe i shouldnt be giving an opinion but i started and continue with the best intentions.

thanks

I appreciate your comments, but the fact you have very few posts, with the majority of them being rather rude and condescending, I don't place much weight on them. Things are the way they are here due to feedback from the members who regularly use this site. People have found it beneficial to have the Critique and Feedback sections split up, in addition to the flood control, so people have ample time to reply to photographs.

With regards to the number of active members versus the number of members, I'm not sure where you get your numbers from, but this forum is far above the average in most of the member retention categories.

You are certainly welcome to share your opinions on the site... and if you have a suggestion that is doable and makes sense for the site (other than saying that people should give better critiques, which is obviously not something that I can control - and, as a side note, is a problem on most photography forums, yours included), I would love to hear it. This site has been around from just over a year, and I work on it in additional to a regular job. It's not where I want it to be, but it's certainly on its way.

Again, I welcome any useful suggestions, but if you want anyone to listen to them with an open mind, you might want to try sharing them without being sarcastic, condescending, and critical.

Enjoy the site.

I appreciate your comments, but the fact you have very few posts, with the majority of them being rather rude and condescending, I don't place much weight on them. [quote]


lol, because you dont have many posts here, thats a good one! i think if you look back at the critiques i offer they are not rude or condecending, they are a darn site more helpful than o'henry (he has 5 THOUSAND posts, so obviously his opion is more valid :roll:) saying "nice capture"

personally, looking at your site and the way it is ran, i think you should START listening to more successful and more experienced people than yourself, ESPECIALLY when they are giving advice for free.

[quote] Things are the way they are here due to feedback from the members who regularly use this site. People have found it beneficial to have the Critique and Feedback sections split up, in addition to the flood control, so people have ample time to reply to photographs.

i'm not saying why you have done it as i don't care, i'm saying your doing it wrongly if you want it to be beneficial to your members, as for flood control, you hardly have a flood to control it would be better if you put a limit on the amount of post that are in your chat forum (not sure what its called and to lazy to look) and channeled some energy into photography.

With regards to the number of active members versus the number of members, I'm not sure where you get your numbers from, but this forum is far above the average in most of the member retention categories.

have you any idea what your talking about? i looked through the first 7 or 8 pages on your member list and hardly anyone posts for a sustained amount of time, hardly anyone with a sizable amount of posts at all.

You are certainly welcome to share your opinions on the site... and if you have a suggestion that is doable and makes sense for the site (other than saying that people should give better critiques, which is obviously not something that I can control - and, as a side note, is a problem on most photography forums, yours included)

lol, you might want to actually do some research before making sloppy claims like that, you should take a look at the critiques forum on my site and compare it to yours. also keep in mind the quality difference between there and here, sometimes a photo has to be 'critiquable'. we have pro's from all across the globe making top wages from there photography

I would love to hear it. This site has been around from just over a year, and I work on it in additional to a regular job. It's not where I want it to be, but it's certainly on its way.

and where is that?

Again, I welcome any useful suggestions, but if you want anyone to listen to them with an open mind, you might want to try sharing them without being sarcastic, condescending, and critical.

sarcasm is bought on by other peoples ignorance and refusal to listen, im critical because after those offensive comments you made you left your forum open for criticism.

Enjoy the site.


i highly doubt that is possible, i have searched many forum doing research for our site and this is by far the worst, most poorly run photography forum that i have used, thats an honest assessment not a not a cheap shot, when all is said and done i hope you review your forum to make it a better place for your members, remember having 20 or 30 thousand members means nothing if 19910 make 2 posts then leave.

Thanks for your comments. If you making yourself an *** helps build your self-esteem, that's great. Good for you. I'm sure if you asked a large majority of the users of this site, you would find that they enjoy it. I'm glad you think this is the worst, most poorly run photography forum that you've used. I sincerely hope that means you do not continue to hang around, as I've found most of your posts poisonous to the community. If you honestly had good intensions of improving the quality of photography on the forum, I doubt you would have wasted your time insulting myself, the site, and its members, but would have instead tried to give helpful feedback to members asking for advice.

As much as I enjoy watching you make an *** of yourself, my time is precious, and I don't want to waste it putting up with your unvalidated opinions.

Say hi to Matt and Alex for me. :roll:

So if you 'help run' the FM forums then you would not mind telling us your ID there.

I'm totally confused. If you have your own forum that,s perfect, than what the hell are you doing here? And if it's sooo damn horrible here and you dont like the rules, than again I ask, what the hell are you doing here?

Of your 34 posts, 8 are from this thread. Oh and there were 2 in critique (The Time Keeper) where you "just knew you saw the picture before" Ohhh great critique there by the way!

If we add up your actual "beneficial" posts we can all see that you aren't really that beneficial here after all.

Man, you need to seek some serious therapy because you have something totally wrong in your head. :roll:

Dont even think about getting an attitude with Tim and our moderators. The majority of us here believe they are doing a supurb job!