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Old October 4th, 2004, 06:43 PM
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its a competiton for photography, not photoshop.
Same could be said about darkroom techniques. Didnt Ansel Adams rely heavily on the darkroom to perfect his pictures? :0)
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Old October 4th, 2004, 07:34 PM
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Well then, get use to getting pissed.

Cuz it aint goin away.

Photographs can be taken for many different reasons and used many different ways. The way it is to be used, IMHO determines how much manipulation is accepteble.

A news photo to be used in news week.. exposure compensation, cropping thats about it.

An image I am producing as a creative art form, I will do what I want to get the image I am looking for.
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Old October 4th, 2004, 08:47 PM
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In a darkroom it takes a much longer time to manipulate an image than it does to do it in a digital darkroom. If you mess up you have to start again, its a little different, but its more like enhancement what ansel adams did if you ask me.

However annoying overmanipulation may be, Im not pissed at it, Im annoyed when it edges someone out who has taken a great shot, and then someone with their photoshopped mess comes along and wins in a photographic contest.
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Old October 7th, 2004, 11:31 PM
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As you can tell I am a fan of that age of photography, one in which I dont think we will ever see again. Can you think of any publication that would publish work like that today? Let me know if you do! Is it photography that is crumbling, or is it the editors who select the pictures we see? We could go on for days!
Mark, have you ever heard of Lenswork?
I think you would greatly enjoy it. It comes out every other month, and it's a bit expensive ($10 per copy), but there are no equipment reviews to wade through, no photoshop how-to's, etc. It's all about the photographic process, about why we make photographs. It includes articles, interviews, and some beautiful portfolios in each issue. They put up a pdf format downloadable sample of each issue.
Give them a try.
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Old October 8th, 2004, 07:17 AM
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Drlynn.
Thanks for the info. I had not heard of that publication. It sounds good, I'll pick one up this weekend.
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Old November 17th, 2004, 10:19 PM
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I'm going to totally contradict what has been said here!
The camera never lies - it always does tell the truth. It presents the reality of what is set before it -the truth.

What might be a lie is the story that goes with the photograph - and that is written words.
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Old November 17th, 2004, 11:26 PM
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I think that basic enhancement in photoshop is acceptable. Slight cropping, levels, saturation to make your photo the best it can be. Now when you take a photo of a dog, and it ends up looking like a horse with wings, then i have a problem, its a competiton for photography, not photoshop.
If we are talking about a PHOTO competition then I would say anything obtained out of camera should be banned. The Art after all is to capture the image in camera. Therefore shouldn't programmes such as photoshop not be allowed at all where photo competitions are conserned? Should the photoshopped improvement be allowed to beat the in camera shot in a competition?

But what of photoshop itself?
To my mind it just another art tool - Why shouldn't a subject lend itself to become another? Art is creative.
The early photographers were very much frowned upon by the canvas painters - it just wasn't art.
Are photographers now doing exactly the same thing with a frown on the art of computer graphics? Of which Photoshop is just one tool.
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Old February 5th, 2005, 09:24 AM
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Is photography crumbling? that is the question there is one certanty in the world and that is "the times they are a changin" can we go back, no i don't think so , will things come full circle , it's not possible , i believe that photography is what we want to believe we see and then taking a little slice of time out so that others can see what we see, for the longest time i thought my first expensive camera was the best in the world and little did i know that some of my best pics came from a disposible .... anyways enough rambling from the new guy ... i just wanted to puts some thoughts out ... the answer i was meaning to get out never in a million years will our sport die out digital or other wise and there will allways be the guys out there that love them old ones L8r
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Old April 15th, 2005, 03:06 PM
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Can you think of any publication that would publish work like that today? Let me know if you do! Is it photography that is crumbling, or is it the editors who select the pictures we see?
Well, that really opens the question of what the hell photography is, anyway. Everything from "straight" photo journalism to family vacation snaps.

I think in the big scheme of humans recording history and then giving it a little spin the photograph is fairly new. People (once again) are just getting used to not believing everthing they see and they're still a little pissed that the photo of "Bat Boy" in the Weekly World News might have been touched up.

The point being that we seem to be in an era of people shouting "Not Fair!" much the way that Henry the 8th must have felt when he got a good look at Anne of Cleves and realized that she looked nothing like the painting.
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