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Old January 28th, 2016, 01:33 PM
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These Photos Got Photographer Kicked Off a Beach in Toronto

Flashback to last summer. July 2, 2015, the day after Canada Day. And the day I got kicked off a beach in Toronto for taking pictures… Read article here

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Old January 28th, 2016, 02:28 PM
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Re: These Photos Got Photographer Kicked Off a Beach in Toronto

I know exactly where these were taken and have seen the guy on the little garbage collecting cart. They think they are security or something. Since this is right in my backyard most of my water/ice shots of the lake were taken here. The did question me one time about parking, cause it is paid parking in the summer from 7am to pm. I was there at 6 and he tried to ask why there was no ticket in my window.
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Re: These Photos Got Photographer Kicked Off a Beach in Toronto

Well I know in some areas in the US including National Parks and forests Permits can be required when using light stands, umbrellas, softboxes etc...I have even read in my local town at local parks also require permits under certain requirements. In most cases that I have read about, again using models, alternative light sources including reflectors, softboxes etc.. require the photographer to have a permit. Prices for the permits vary.
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Old January 28th, 2016, 05:49 PM
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Once upon a time (and fairly recently!) "commercial" photogs were exploiting National Parks etc. for their own financial well being....not illegally perhaps, but possibly unethically. Often such use included additional people and/or equipment, all of which increased the possibility of habitat degradation and/or interference with other users of the park (people and/or wildlife), sometimes requiring extra resources at cost to the public. Had such usage ALWAYS been reasonable, there would probably be no push back.

Unfortunately, the subsequent rules were NOT properly thought out and reviewed for real world applicability but rather rushed to final enactment. This is just one of MANY horror stories of well meaning but ill conceived rules/laws/policies having inadvertent effects, mostly because of poorly communicated who/what/when/how. Exacerbating the situation is that you have a group of self-righteous and/or well intended employees (not necessarily empowered to enforce) acting on what they perceive to be the letter of the law, never having been sufficiently (if at all) instructed as to its applicability and clarification as to who is/isn't authorized to enforce (vs report) such. Perhaps if word-of-mouth comments about the consequences to over-reaching or self-appointed "deputies" falsely impeding allowing acceptable photography would start to swing the pendulum the other direction, ie they'd mind their own business or check with a KNOWLEDGEABLE, designated authority.

Largely this situation in National Parks has been clarified. As frustrating as it may be, anything more than a quick courteous request to clarify is futile. Rather than escalate the situation with the "deputy", find a knowledgeable superior (usually the city/agency attorney comprehends the consequences of flawed, discriminatory rules and/or false enforcement of such) and task them with ensuring it doesn't happen again, ie system wide clarification including who is empowered.
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Re: These Photos Got Photographer Kicked Off a Beach in Toronto

If they had of asked me for a permit, I would have asked to point me to the sign that requires a permit to shoot there.
When I was escorted out of the cemetery for taking photos I had that same discussion. I was told by a security guard that photography was not permitted there. And I asked where the sign was that said so. There is a large sign at the front of the cemetery about dogs, rollerblades, cycling, flowers, picnics....but nothing about photography.
It is also the largest cemetery here, and a lot of tourist go there as some famous Toronto people are buried in there and Im sure they all come with a camera.
Just annoyed me. They told me not to come back. bah....
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Re: These Photos Got Photographer Kicked Off a Beach in Toronto

One question you may run into with cemeteries is whether they are public or private property. Even if open to the public the property may still be private. Private property typically requires explicit given permission for photography in the form of a property release...much like a model release.
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One question you may run into with cemeteries is whether they are public or private property. Even if open to the public the property may still be private. Private property typically requires explicit given permission for photography in the form of a property release...much like a model release.
It is a group of cemeteries owned by one umbrella. Turns out if you do go to their website, there is a teeny tiny blurb way down in the bottom, that states you must have permission from the office to take photos. My issue with the guy was how many people search this stuff out before wandering in there. The cemetery is 2 city blocks wide, with multiple entrances. I said to him, that if they are going to stop and harass people, there should at lease be signs, warning first, not just have 2 guys gang up on you. I was not there with a model, just me walking with my camera.
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Old January 29th, 2016, 03:44 AM
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It looks awesome! Very beautiful model and goodlooking sunset!
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